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PostSubject: Massachusetts may consider a mileage charge   Massachusetts may consider a mileage charge EmptyThu Feb 19, 2009 8:56 am

Massachusetts may consider a mileage charge
By Glen Johnson
Associated Press Writer / February 17, 2009

BOSTON—A tentative plan to overhaul Massachusetts' transportation system by using GPS chips to charge motorists a quarter-cent for every mile behind the wheel has angered some drivers.
"It's outrageous, it's kind of Orwellian, Big Brotherish," said Sen. Scott Brown, R-Wrentham, who drafted legislation last week to prohibit the practice. "You'd need a whole new department of cronies just to keep track of it."
But a "Vehicle Miles Traveled" program like the one the governor may unveil this week has already been tested -- with positive results -- in Oregon.
Governors in Idaho and Rhode Island, as well as the federal government, also are talking about such programs. And in North Carolina, a panel suggested in December the state start charging motorists a quarter-cent for every mile as a substitute for the gas tax.
"The Big Brother issue was identified during the first meeting of the task force that developed our program," said Jim Whitty, who oversees innovation projects for the Oregon Department of Transportation. "Everything we did from that point forward, even though we used electronics, was to eliminate those concerns."
A draft overhaul transport plan prepared for Gov. Deval Patrick says implementing a Vehicle Miles Traveled system to replace the gas tax makes sense. "A user-based system, collected electronically, is a fair way to pay for our transportation needs in the future," it says.
Patrick, who had yet to settle on any of the ideas contained in the draft, told reporters last week, "I like any idea that is faster, cheaper, simpler."
The idea behind the program is simple: As cars become more fuel efficient or powered by electricity, gas tax revenues decline. Yet the cost of building and maintaining roads and bridges is increasing. A state could cover that gap by charging drivers precisely for the mileage their vehicles put on public roads.
"There needs to be a new way of thinking about, `How do we pay for all of this?'" said Richard Dimino, president of A Better City, a business-friendly group that considers transportation issues.
"One of the ways is thinking about the automobile like a utility: When we turn on our automobile and use it, we would be charged like we do when we turn on the lights and we start using electricity."
In Oregon, the state paid volunteers who let the transportation department install GPS receivers in 300 vehicles. The device did not transmit a signal -- which would allow real-time tracking of a driver's movements -- but instead passively received satellite pings telling the receiver where it was in terms of latitude and longitude coordinates.
The state used those coordinates to determine when the vehicle was driving both within Oregon and outside the state. And it measured the respective distances through a connection with the vehicle's odometer.
When a driver pulled into a predetermined service station, the pump linked electronically with the receiver, downloaded the number of miles driven in Oregon and then charged the driver a fee based on the distance. The gas tax they would have paid was reduced by the amount of the user fee. Drivers continued to be charged gas tax for miles driven outside Oregon.
Under such systems, one of which is already used in London, drivers are charged more for entering a crowded area during rush hour than off-peak periods.
"What the mileage charge does, if it's structured properly, is simply charge for the basic responsibility of people to pay for the amount of wear they put on the state's roads," said Whitty, whose state is still considering the mechanics of broadening the program.
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PostSubject: Re: Massachusetts may consider a mileage charge   Massachusetts may consider a mileage charge EmptyThu Feb 19, 2009 11:06 am

YOU'VE GOT TO BE F...ING KIDDING ME!!!

(I apologize if we are not supposed to use f....ing or the like)
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PostSubject: Re: Massachusetts may consider a mileage charge   Massachusetts may consider a mileage charge EmptySat Feb 21, 2009 9:35 am

I saw that too then saw a headline last night the BO shot it down. The concept had many up in arms, especially the part about installing a gps unit to track it. What next, active mapping of the places I go. I think that is what blew it up. I personally think the Mass plan was out out to see what the reaction would be before they decided to go national. if no one minded Mass doing it then rapidly the nation would follow. When the reaction hit big govt had to shelf it and gave them an opportunity to be the hero.

But they did it to themselves. When gas prices were high and oil companies were making a lot of money in profits the govt was raking in their share. Although they screamed in outrage in public (to do any different would hurt reelection chances) I bet Treasury was counting the money with glee and congress was looking for new ways to spend it When prices dropped to less than half think how much tax money was lost. They have said they need to make the difference somewhere cause they spent the money based on 4 bucks not 2 bucks a gallon.

look or more stuff like this in the future - an idea put up by the state or a small group and if no out cry it will go federal. Heck look at the hue and cry over CEO salaries - until they realized how much tax income the difference between 300k and 2 million is. poor dont pay income tax. Theres a lot of money being spent with no way to pay it back
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PostSubject: Taxation is out of control!   Massachusetts may consider a mileage charge EmptySat Feb 21, 2009 1:43 pm

I just found out that we have to pay taxes if you get a1099-C credit income discharged, yeap, if you have a note like on a car and you turn it in, they try to collect and dischrge the note, after they sell the unit on the auction, the difference can be consider income you are responsible for. The GOV now charges taxes on that difference. Where are the rebells, this kind of stuff is rediculous.

Watch out, the next thing you know you will charged for each word you odder in free speach too!
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PostSubject: Re: Massachusetts may consider a mileage charge   Massachusetts may consider a mileage charge EmptySat Feb 21, 2009 2:01 pm

Where are the rebells, this kind of stuff is rediculous.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/29283701
http://www.glennbeck.com/

Its out there but if the "fairness doctrine" catches any more steam then most of the opposing views will be pushed underground.
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